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Post by jscanlan1 on May 4, 2010 18:16:12 GMT -5
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Post by cecil on May 6, 2010 8:05:08 GMT -5
1.) Get rid of the spots on the side of the head. I've never seen spots on the side of the head of a brookie as in this live fish. 2.) You're missing the red dots with blue halos on the lower flanks. 3.) Your yellow dorsal vermiculations looked painted and more like spots than vermiculations. I find it's better to create a background color of yellow and make black markings like the following live fish: The lower fish in this pair is a female.
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Post by jscanlan1 on May 6, 2010 16:41:27 GMT -5
Thanks for the advice Cecil. The spots on the sides of the head were there. I boxed them in a little too heavy. Picture attached. The back really gave me hard time it was dark and the vermiculations were gone, but from reference pics I tried to redo them. I tried to lay them done as yellow, but my yellow kept a green tint to it. Which I found weird, since it was the first color. So i'm still at a loss trying to figure that out. I didn't do the spots yet, in my reference pics there are no spots, so I been trying to find pics of hen spots. The hens don't seem as bright as the bucks. Alot of the spots just seem a little blue and not that classic blue/white/red. Thanks Jeff
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Post by cecil on May 8, 2010 12:16:05 GMT -5
Thanks for the advice Cecil. The spots on the sides of the head were there. I boxed them in a little too heavy. Picture attached. You're right they were there! I should have known you weren't just making them up as your painting has always been impressive in the past, and it's obvious you go by reference material. But that's the first fish I've ever seen like that. Have you seen that before? Perhaps it's a genetic anomaly in the strain you have? And yes you're right they are more subtle on the fish itself. The back really gave me hard time it was dark and the vermiculations were gone, but from reference pics I tried to redo them. I tried to lay them done as yellow, but my yellow kept a green tint to it. Which I found weird, since it was the first color. So i'm still at a loss trying to figure that out. Instead of plain yellow try Yellow Ochre or a very light orange that when painted on looks like a rich yellow. Sometimes adding a little brown will kill the green effect. You will find if you use black markings over the yellow background you can make the vermiculations look much more natural vs. painted. I didn't do the spots yet, in my reference pics there are no spots, so I been trying to find pics of hen spots. The hens don't seem as bright as the bucks. Alot of the spots just seem a little blue and not that classic blue/white/red. True, the blue spots with red dots can be more subtle depending on the time of year and the sex of the fish, and I've seen them very subtle in especially summer fish with guanine crystal deposits (chromish fish). But again I've never seen them totally absent. Is the reference pic not showing them of a fresh fish? I'd still put them in if it was me. You can make them subtle if you try. As good as you paint I have no doubt you'll get it down. I wouldn't have a problem adding a little more color to a female fish especially if she is in spawning conditions as is evidenced by her distended abdomen. Most likely the blue halos and red dots are more in evidence on a spawning female also.
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Post by jscanlan1 on May 8, 2010 14:13:41 GMT -5
I've done two brookies with those face vermiculations, they both came Northern PA from "Potato Creek", I'm not sure what hatchery they came from.
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Post by fishhead on Feb 8, 2011 18:21:35 GMT -5
Cecil,
I am going to paint a female Brook in a couple weeks And there isn't any vermiculations on the back of the fish and very few of the spots on the side of the fish. What would be the best way to add them.
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Post by fishhead on Feb 8, 2011 18:33:52 GMT -5
Here is what the fish looked like before I skinned it. Attachments:
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Post by fishhead on Feb 8, 2011 18:38:30 GMT -5
The head. Attachments:
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Post by jscanlan1 on Feb 23, 2011 20:49:16 GMT -5
Fishhead were the vermiculations present when the fish was caught?
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Post by fishhead on Feb 26, 2011 17:07:12 GMT -5
No they were not there. But the customer wants them on there. The fish was caught out of a lake and he wants it to look more like a river fish.
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Post by jscanlan1 on Feb 27, 2011 22:44:41 GMT -5
I really don't have an answer for you, Brook trout are still on my need to Master list. One possible method is to white out the fish and treat it like a reproduction. Trying to bring out yellow vermiculations on a black background convincingly is hard to do. Let us know how you did and what did. Good luck
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Post by cecil on Apr 13, 2011 21:43:19 GMT -5
No they were not there. But the customer wants them on there. The fish was caught out of a lake and he wants it to look more like a river fish. Paint your back a yellow shade and use black markings to create the illusion of yellow vermiculations. It's much easier for them to look natural this way than to paint in the yellow markings
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